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Journal Entry: Tue Aug 15, 2006, 5:13 PM
Dear ~d1fferent watchers/members,

I am sorry for the lack of activity on this site. I have been busy the last couple months making it impossible for me to update this site on a regular basis. If another individual feels lead by the Lord to take on this site as their own with keeping it true to the original intent I encourage you to pursue me by note on my personal account.

I appreciate your dedication to the Lord and your support for this account here on DA. Have a wonderful day and God bless!

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*systemofastef

p.s. If you have any inquiries please note my personal account.

:heart: thank you brothers and sisters :heart:


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2 Timothy 3:15-17
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."


1 Timothy 6:20
Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge.


"it seems ironic that brilliant scientists could advocate so fantastic a theory without one shred of evidence in its favor, all the while rejecting the straightforward explination given by the one book in the history of the world that has never been proven wrong, that has changed the lives of millions of people, that has been belived completly by many of the most intelligent scholars of every generation, and that has been a greater force for good than any other book in the history of the world. Why will otherwise intelligent people commit themselves to belifes that seem so irrational?"

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LINKS:
(More to come!)

[link] BibleGateway.com - The Online Bible

[link] EveryStudent.com - 6 straight-forward reasons to believe in God

[link] GodIsNowhere.com - For Truth Seekers

[link] Contenderministries.org Apologetics, Prophecy, Politics, Science, Christianity

[link] Meant4More.com - Faith for Students

[link] MessageofJesus.com

[link] AnswersInGenesis.org - Creationism

[link] CreationScience.com - Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood

[link] CreationWorldview.org - Creationism

[link] GodandScience.org

[link] ARN.org Access Research Network - Intellegent Design

[link] IDtheFuture.com - Intellegent Design

~DA-Creationists DA Creationists, more links on their main page

[link] The Existance of God and the Beginning of the Universe

[link] Age of the Universe - Something to make Evolutionists wince and Creationists laugh

[link] Carm.org Christian Apologetics and Research

[link] Apologetics

[link] Apologetics

[link] Religion vs. Christianity

[link] Quick Rebuttals

[link] ACLJ.org American Center for Justice and Law

Forums and Discussion Links:

[link] Theology Web Campus

[link] TheChristianDefense.com

[link] FDO Ministries


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  • Interests: God, Creation Science, reading the Bible, facts-proof-evidence
  • Favourite movie: Gospel of John, Lord of the Rings Trilogy, Star Wards saga
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*iraqifreak:iconiraqifreak: Apr 29, 2008, 8:27:20 PM
Do you even know what these words mean?
well, believe it or not it does not mean go kill innocent people, but those Stupid imbeciles go interpret it the way they want.....
it is for killing those who invade one's home, killing woman and children (it does not apply to Americans in this case) it is To Kill People who announced Wars against Muslims in Public, It is to Defend our belief AND GOD/Allah

Well, you're indeed lost for you do not believe in Islam, there are Far to many miracles in it not to believe.... and plus, Muhammad (peace be upon him) was foretold in the bible, one of it's version at least, oh how many are there?

and Jesus is the son of God? so God has a son? so God is human?
is God really fit for taking a Son?
so God's son got crucified..... wow that's messed up!!

it's your obligation to investigate, not to completely shut Quran out of the way, at least give it the benefit of the doubt. and I wish that God guides you to the right path.

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رأس الحكمة مخافة الله
Summit of Wisdom is fearing Allah
~systemofastef:iconsystemofastef: Apr 29, 2008, 5:39:49 PM
Thats exactly the point, I don't believe that the God of the Bible is the same as the god of the Koran. The character of God as described in the Bible is different from the god illustrated in the Koran. Also, I am not grouping all muslims into the stereotype of being vicious, violent killers. I was highlighting a real life incident where the scriptures from your holy book encourages the initiation of violence. My attack was on the words of your book, not on your people.

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Are you [saved]?

God loved the world so He sent His Son (Jesus Christ) so that anyone who believes in Him will not die in Hell but have eternal life in Heaven.
. [john 3.16] .


If you died today...where would you go?
~systemofastef:iconsystemofastef: Apr 29, 2008, 5:30:45 PM
Glad to be able to challenge you to an intellectual convo, I pray you find what you are searching for.

Stef

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Are you [saved]?

God loved the world so He sent His Son (Jesus Christ) so that anyone who believes in Him will not die in Hell but have eternal life in Heaven.
. [john 3.16] .


If you died today...where would you go?
*iraqifreak:iconiraqifreak: Apr 29, 2008, 6:33:24 AM
If a Christian man killed innocent people would you say that Christianity is provoking violence?

(You cannot judge a group of people "Muslims" nor their beliefs by actions of individuals who have clearly strayed away from the right path)

{ if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind } 5:32 Quran

{ do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor), the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbour who is a stranger } 4:36 Quran

so what's your point?

who ever is killing in Iraq, killing Iraqis, American troops, Egyptians and so is not a Muslim but a criminal.

"I'd take "love you neighbor as yourself" (luke 10:27) over the Koran any day."

so wait a sec, you know that Quran is from Allah/God the same only God who sent Jesus as a prophet, but you don't follow it?
I mean do you know better than God? so you are saying the Islam the religion that God descended on humanity as the last religion is.... bad? and you don't like it?

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رأس الحكمة مخافة الله
Summit of Wisdom is fearing Allah
=Abfc:iconAbfc: Apr 29, 2008, 12:04:49 AM
Oi... I miss the good old days, when the average Christian was just another internet retard... I can't think clearly enough to argue with you right now, so kudos on a valid point.

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~systemofastef:iconsystemofastef: Apr 28, 2008, 11:53:27 PM
Of course He knew we would stray from Him, though to say so specifically that we were only created to stray away from Him I think would be analyzing too narrowly. His ultimate goal is a relationship with His creation, whether we stray or stay is up to us. There is straying yes, but there is also redemption. I believe that is the bigger picture of God's purpose.

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Are you [saved]?

God loved the world so He sent His Son (Jesus Christ) so that anyone who believes in Him will not die in Hell but have eternal life in Heaven.
. [john 3.16] .


If you died today...where would you go?
~systemofastef:iconsystemofastef: Apr 28, 2008, 11:44:19 PM
As reported in the New York Times, a videotape of the execution in Fallujah last month of Muhammad Fawazi, an Egyptian believed by his killers to have been aiding the Americans, shows an insurgent standing over Fawazi, quoting verses from the Koran. "He who will abide by the Koran will prosper, he who offends against it will get the sword," the man says, just before two others force Fawazi to the ground and sever his head... They cite Koranic verses that exhort Muslims to resist, such as, "Slay them ... and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out."

I'd take "love you neighbor as yourself" (luke 10:27) over the Koran any day.

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Are you [saved]?

God loved the world so He sent His Son (Jesus Christ) so that anyone who believes in Him will not die in Hell but have eternal life in Heaven.
. [john 3.16] .


If you died today...where would you go?
=Abfc:iconAbfc: Apr 28, 2008, 11:39:21 PM
But we were supposedly created by God exactly as he wanted us to be, seeing as he can do whatever he feels best. Thus, he created us to stray away from him.

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~systemofastef:iconsystemofastef: Apr 28, 2008, 11:35:18 PM
He did not create us flawed. We were sinless until the fall where we chose to separate from Him. God is perfect, and you are right we are not... this is not an error on God's part but as the result of our own free will.

We have chosen the flawed state we are currently in, we were not created that way.

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Are you [saved]?

God loved the world so He sent His Son (Jesus Christ) so that anyone who believes in Him will not die in Hell but have eternal life in Heaven.
. [john 3.16] .


If you died today...where would you go?
*iraqifreak:iconiraqifreak: Apr 4, 2008, 1:47:16 PM
people read Qur'an believe me it's much better.

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لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
~secondhanddreaming:iconsecondhanddreaming: Mar 10, 2008, 11:25:28 PM
For the parodox heres an extract from the Baker encyclopedia of Christian apologetics

"God cannot literally do anything. He can only do what is possible to do consistent with his being as God. He cannot do what is logically or actually impossible. God cannot do some things. He cannot cease being God. He cannot contradict his own nature (cf. Heb. 6:18). He cannot do what is logically impossible, for example make a square circle. Likewise, God cannot make a rock so heavy that he cannot lift for the simple reason that anything he can make is finite. Anything that is finite he can move by his infinite power. If he can make it, he can move it."

To put it simply, God can do anything within LOGIC, and as long as it does not contradict his character.

As for your example of Galileo, yes the church has made errors, but it is not uncommon (especially in those times) for ANY type of authority to try and censor new ideas because they may feel that they may lose power. As for the changing of the bible to suit the new ideas, please show evidence to support your ideas.

"If a being is perfect, everything it creates must, as well, be perfect" - CORRECT
"If there is a perfect God, he cannot have created humanity, because we are not perfect" - WRONG. Man is imperfect because of free will.

Forced to go to church? Its pretty ignorant to suggest that all Christians were forced to go to church when they were children.

"dont read the bible correctly". Yes some people misinterpret the bible. However your explanation for such claims is incorrect. Some of the stories were meant as parables, with moral or other theological messages, however this does not account for ALL the stories in the bible. There are many stories on actual events that do not contain any moral messages.
~InterfaithInitiative:iconInterfaithInitiative: Mar 10, 2008, 10:52:38 PM
Hello,
The Interfaith Initiative is a club created for people of different faith to come together and engage in healthy discussions to help promote tolerance.

If anyone is interested in taking part, please take a look at our page :)
=Abfc:iconAbfc: Feb 1, 2008, 11:16:47 PM
Allow me to disprove the hypothesis of, first of all, an omnipotent God with a little paradox:
Could God create a stone that he himself could not lift?
If he can not, then God obviously does have limited power.
If he can, though, then there is now a stone that he cannot lift, and since he cannot lift it, he is not omnipotent.


The bible also says that God is both transcendent and omnipresent, which is clearly a contradiction of terms and therefore cannot be true.
To be transcendent means to be outside of space and time, while omnipresent dictates the act of being everywhere in space and time at once.

When Galileo discovered the Heliocentric model of the solar system, a heretical concept, he was imprisoned in his own home for the rest of his life simply because the church was hungry for

power and did not wish to be questioned. Record shows that soon after his model finally was accepted universally, parts of the bible were actually re-written to conform to the new

knowledge to seem as though the bible knew it all along. If it was changed for this, surely it was changed on many other instances and cannot possibly be a true text of the supposed God.

Another example...
There is no perfect God.
If a being is perfect, everything it creates must, as well, be perfect.
If there is a perfect God, he cannot have created humanity, because we are not perfect.
If God did create humanity, however, God must, too, be flawed to have made so many mistakes.


And if you religious folk would stop being so ignorant and just opened your eyes, you'd see how ludicris some of your bible's stories are... God talking to a carpenter, as a burning bush? It's

madness. And the reason all of you tend to be so bloody ignorant is the fact that you're forced to go to church and read the bible from childhood and you're taught to

disregard anything, INCLUDING HARD SCIENTIFIC DATA, that questions the church. You're conditioned to believe nothing but what the bible dictates.

And on that note, you people don't even read the bible correctly! The stories in it were not, by any means, meant to be taken literally as truth! They are hypotheticals and

anecdotes; little childrens stories for all ages, complete with a moral, which is supposed to be the important part. You're not supposed to take it word for word, you're

supposed to use the intelligence that God supposedly gave you and use it to make your own inferences on the stories and pick out life lessons.

So, two last things before I hit send:
  1. If you hide this comment, you're proving to the whole world that you're ignorant and that you're deliberately trying to hide any opposing thought patterns. And there's

    only one reason for somebody to do that: Knowing that the opposing thought, herecy though it may be, is true and you're silencing it before your followers realize that it's true; same thing the

    church did with Galileo.
  2. If there's any questions you have that God provisionally answers, ask me and I'll give you a scientific answer, one which will probably make far more sense if you

    let it into your thick skull.


Have a nice day. :)

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=Abfc:iconAbfc: Feb 1, 2008, 11:14:56 PM
If he created us, God cannot possibly be perfect or anything close to it, and therefore must not exist. A perfect being cannot create flaws, and humans are clearly flawed.

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~DA-club-yellowpages:iconDA-club-yellowpages: Feb 11, 2007, 9:56:16 AM
Your club is now listed in our directory!
~mythecaria:iconmythecaria: Dec 7, 2006, 6:37:51 PM
FTW:

Gospel of the Atheists IV- A sin upon all science?

And here I thought I was the only scientist who didn't like to see my beloved discipline turned into a religion!

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~Moments-at-a-Time:iconMoments-at-a-Time: Aug 29, 2006, 9:53:00 PM
God is the best artist ever. He created everything, and everything to him was good. He created us. :)

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~S-P-Beginnings:iconS-P-Beginnings: Aug 17, 2006, 5:39:26 AM
Absolutely is our answer to the affiliate question!
~Ar-Pharazon:iconAr-Pharazon: Aug 15, 2006, 9:13:42 PM
I don't want to keep going on about it but you know damn well that God cannot be proved empirically. Anyway, its not a case of "you and us", well it shouldn't be anyway. Oh, and you can have the planet, I'm just passing through. :P

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~craigthebrit:iconcraigthebrit: Aug 15, 2006, 10:30:25 AM
I don't really believe "dogmatically" in anything. I'm open to anything, if somebody can prove to me God exists I'll get it, and it will become for me part of science. I believe in proof, you're happy with faith, I guess we're different. As long as you don't try to ban the teaching of evolution and I don't knock down any churches, we can share the planet just fine :D.

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~Ar-Pharazon:iconAr-Pharazon: Aug 14, 2006, 9:12:48 PM
lol didn't even notice... I haven't been to the page in a while. You make a good point about there not being anything new in the Bible, it actually says that in it. I do doubt I could teach you anything really. That just leaves it up to you. Its funny that you believe so dogmatically in science. I have seen the rather nasty side of it so I supose I don't have 100% faith in it.
Anyway, I don't want to be a pain so I hope you will continue to keep your mind open, as will I. Thanks for bothering to reply all those times; if anything you made those members of the group think.

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~craigthebrit:iconcraigthebrit: Aug 14, 2006, 11:01:14 AM
Look, I'm not interested in another debate. It's quite pointless when all I get is insults, and not one interesting new fact about the Bible (which incidentally I've read a lot of, and I doubt you could teach me anything new about it that's actually true) or why I should believe in hocus pocus instead of the gradual incremental understanding of the universe we're obtaining through scientific method.

Besides, look, the replies have been indented off the page lol :D (at least on my screen)...

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~Ar-Pharazon:iconAr-Pharazon: Aug 13, 2006, 10:39:02 PM
I believe it was you who called God a magic-fairy type. I am not attacking your beliefs, but you choose to attack mine for some reason. I do not appreciate that kind of talk, as you are essentially putting down the One who loves me and gave Himself for me (I am not talking of of physical death). I doubt you would find anyone who would do that for you, especially if there was nothing good in you. Please do not tell me you are perfect.
Your comments show that you lack the maturity to put aside your pathetic insults and actually converse at a sensible level. I have told you before that I have a significant background in evolutionary theory under some of the top researchers in evolutionary development and genetics (I am a qualified genetic engineer and researcher). It is true that I do not know a great deal about physics, I am quite willing to learn. However, since you have relatively no idea about the Bible, why should I be required to be overqualified in subjects that you are yourself only learning about in Uni?

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~craigthebrit:iconcraigthebrit: Aug 12, 2006, 9:19:39 AM
I'm quite bored of this, whilst particularly amused by your "atheist sheep" expression would prefer it if you'd just get off my case. One day you'll wake up and realise that the entire concept of a magic fairy-God is as ridiculous as it is unprovable, and I hope it makes you laugh. In the meantime, do some reading, get some background in physics and evolutionary theory, and try not to die yourself =p.

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~Ar-Pharazon:iconAr-Pharazon: Aug 8, 2006, 8:22:35 PM
While i appreciate that it has taken a vast amount of time for you to reply to all this, I would point out that there is not point in startying a fire if you are not prpared to actually make use of it. I do not mena to make you sound illy, but in all honsety, you post here, react like a 7 year old when provoked and then expect to be taken seriously. that is the very same accusation you laid at the feet of the others with whom you have been conversing. You have never show a clear understanding of what those who have responded you have put forward, in terms of theology, and yet you are quite content to make fun of stuff you quite obviously do not understand. I am not saying this to put you down, but merely to help you in your arguments with people. You need to appear credible and you need to remain credible. I know the first thing that comes into your head when I say that is "Huh, credible... this is from soemone who believes in an invisible entity who is supposed to be in charge of the universe!" Perhaps if you were to actually seek the truth regarding this subject you would understand why this is more credible than you believe it to be now. However, I am sure you are content to follow what everyone else is like a little athiest sheep. You restrict your mind to logica, and to understand spirit, this is limiting. I am confident that if you were to seriously look at all the options, you would run out and be left with very little.

Anyway, I don't want to rant, so all I will say is, have a nice life and try not to die... its all you think you have.

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"I don't need to a compass to tell me which way the wind shines"